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So I'm new to this posting thing... Hi Everybody! And I have a general question that probably doesn't need asking but I'm kind of fed up at the moment.

So the question is Are there any women out there that like the good guys? I was raised old fashioned and it was ground into my skull that you should always treat a woman with respect, I'm starting to wonder though if this is what women really want. I was told just yesterday that I was "too nice," all I did was open the doors for her and walked her to her car. This will be the 3rd first date in as many weeks, 1 "too old fashioned", 1 "too nice" and the other didn't reply to my call. Maybe the women and I see respectful as two different things?

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- November 2nd, 2009, 08:43 pm
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I'm there with you. What I've learned that it isn't that you're too nice. Women don't know how to phrase what they actually mean in this context.

Whether any of them want to admit it or not, they all want the alpha male. They don't necessarily want the jerk that tends to come attached to said personality, but they do want a guy who can show confidence, that can show that he can take charge. A guy who can stand on a mountain and beat his chest and scream really loud. These are all metaphors mind you, but really, they just want a real man. Being nice and not showing any other qualities shows a sign of weakness. Women are turned off by this in potential partners.

Sure, you would make a great friend, and that's all you've shown them. Being strictly nice doesn't build chemistry. Without having actually watched your dates, it's hard to say why else they want only one date. Maybe you faux pased. Maybe you said something really horrible. Maybe you farted?

I still think there's nothing wrong with being nice, but you need to find a way to build chemistry and do it fast. That's pretty much the only thing that has ever worked for me.
- November 3rd, 2009, 03:26 pm
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Women want The Good Guy. Of course they do.

We don't mind a fixer upper or a project or someone a bit damaged or imperfect. That's because we're sometimes like that too.

Maybe you've been on three dates with three 'nice' women who think it's polite to express their disinterest in you with a compliment.

But don't go thinking the reason that you're not getting anywhere with women is because we haven't sufficiently evolved to appreciate a man with a gentle and kind streak because that's a little self serving honey.

I've no reason to believe you're less than nice but maybe being 'nice' is not what those girls are really rejecting.
- November 3rd, 2009, 03:39 pm
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matt1982 wrote :

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Next time a woman says to you "You're too nice", your answer should be "Too bad"

Then you move on.

Simple as that!
- November 3rd, 2009, 03:40 pm
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I don't share this viewpoint, though I do see it here often.

Basic manners are expected of men (from civilized women), but are not a substitute for masculine qualities.

What you need to bring is professional stature appropriate for your age and your partners' aspirations, a modest helping of "take charge aggression" (think of it as seasoning), and then all that compatibility stuff.

Manners are just a given.
- November 3rd, 2009, 03:41 pm
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matt1982 wrote :
So I'm new to this posting thing... Hi Everybody! And I have a general question that probably doesn't need asking but I'm kind of fed up at the moment.

So the question is Are there any women out there that like the good guys? I was raised old fashioned and it was ground into my skull that you should always treat a woman with respect, I'm starting to wonder though if this is what women really want. I was told just yesterday that I was "too nice," all I did was open the doors for her and walked her to her car. This will be the 3rd first date in as many weeks, 1 "too old fashioned", 1 "too nice" and the other didn't reply to my call. Maybe the women and I see respectful as two different things?

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I doubt that the reason she called you 'too nice' were because you opened a door for her and walked her to her car. Much more likely it was subtle things in the way you acted with her in general.
- November 3rd, 2009, 03:52 pm
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matt1982 wrote :
So I'm new to this posting thing... Hi Everybody! And I have a general question that probably doesn't need asking but I'm kind of fed up at the moment.

So the question is Are there any women out there that like the good guys? I was raised old fashioned and it was ground into my skull that you should always treat a woman with respect, I'm starting to wonder though if this is what women really want. I was told just yesterday that I was "too nice," all I did was open the doors for her and walked her to her car. This will be the 3rd first date in as many weeks, 1 "too old fashioned", 1 "too nice" and the other didn't reply to my call. Maybe the women and I see respectful as two different things?

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I think every girl wants a good guy...but there's a different between a good guy and a guy who has no spine and lets the girl walk on him.
- November 3rd, 2009, 04:51 pm
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islandrain80 wrote :
I think every girl wants a good guy...but there's a different between a good guy and a guy who has no spine and lets the girl walk on him.
That's a fine line to draw. For some women a guy who doesn't let a woman walk all over him is a jerk and definitely not a nice guy.

OP, remember that when someone is telling you they don't want to see you again they won't tell you the real reason most of the time.

So don't try and be less of a nice guy in an attempt to be more attractive to women. Be true to yourself and the right woman will come along.
- November 3rd, 2009, 05:00 pm
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Chances are the reason it didn't go any further isn't because you were too nice. Manners are always appreciated. If they're not, you're with a Philistine and should exit immediately.

Nor are all women fawning over alpha males. And, despite the popularity of "player" instructions and websites, most aren't looking for someone who'll play games by pretending to be less interested than they are.

But there are sometimes issues.

I have an acquaintance. Let's call him Luke. Luke thinks he's a good guy. He'll tell anyone who'll listen how nice he is. He's always helping and making himself available. In a relationship, he can't do enough for his partner.

Here's the problem. Luke does all that for himself. Without regard to how it makes his partner feel. Without regard to her boundaries (but I like her, so what's wrong with showing her I like her?). Without regard to her feedback that he's coming on a bit too strong, moving too quickly, or triggering a negative response in her. He's helpful even when she asks him not to be. Luke doesn't leave at that point, when he sees that they have different wants from a relationship, nor does he do the serious self-evaluation needed to see if he's capable of change. He stays. And keeps doing what he always does. When she leaves, Luke can't understand it. All he did was care about her and hold her in the highest regard. Even when she ends things, he hounds her to stay friends, and acts out some passive aggressive hostility when she declines the friendship. But what is he doing wrong? All he wants is to stay friends with someone he really cared about.

Do you see the problem here?

I don't know if this is what you're doing. I do know that there are a lot of self-proclaimed nice guys out there who really aren't that nice at all. If this dating thing is a pattern with you, you might look into that. Ask friends what their perceptions are of you in a relationship. And listen to the feedback without getting defensive.

Social intercourse requires us to have self-awareness and healthy boundaries in addition to being good. And it requires you to ask the question...good for whom?

Then again, they could just be idiots. I don't know. You're the only one who can answer that.

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islandrain80 wrote :
I think every girl wants a good guy...but there's a different between a good guy and a guy who has no spine and lets the girl walk on him.
Exactly what I was going to say.

You can be "nice" while still also being decisive, firm, and opinionated. A real person and not an amorphous blob of niceness.
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